SELF-DESTRUCT -- PRESS

[Morry Bund]

For reasons that will become evident very soon, the SELF DESTRUCT button has just been pressed.

[Norwegianwood]

Inquiring minds are very anxiously awaiting the "why"..............


Maybe because.......

mor·i·bund
   [mawr-uh-buhnd, mor-] Show IPA
adjective
1.
in a dying state; near death.
2.
on the verge of extinction or termination.
3.
not progressing or advancing; stagnant: a moribund political party.

[crazy_aviator]

Morri,,

Your like a first date , never knowing the outcome until its too late !

[noflex]

Enough drama Morry Povich, just tell us.

[teacher]

my guess, the timer has been set for another CCAA filing. All contracts from labour to suppliers will get screwed. This manufactured crisis aided by angry employees will give CR the means to get his plan approved. Hope I'm wrong........

[hnl]

my guess, the timer has been set for another CCAA filing. All contracts from labour to suppliers will get screwed. This manufactured crisis aided by angry employees will give CR the means to get his plan approved. Hope I'm wrong........

Yes you are wrong

[Morry Bund]

Enough drama Morry Povich, just tell us.

http://www.concernedacpilots.info/

Dear Colleagues,
We are a group of pilots who are deeply concerned with the direction currently being taken by our Association. ...

[teacher]

my guess, the timer has been set for another CCAA filing. All contracts from labour to suppliers will get screwed. This manufactured crisis aided by angry employees will give CR the means to get his plan approved. Hope I'm wrong........

Yes you are wrong

Well, I did say it was a guess

[chatman]

The calm before the storm...

[FlyGy]

Enough drama Morry Povich, just tell us.

http://www.concernedacpilots.info/

Dear Colleagues,
We are a group of pilots who are deeply concerned with the direction currently being taken by our Association. ...

YAAAAAAWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNN!!

[noflex]

Ah Yes...

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[hnl]

Enough drama Morry Povich, just tell us.

http://www.concernedacpilots.info/

Dear Colleagues,
We are a group of pilots who are deeply concerned with the direction currently being taken by our Association. ...

That is the most positive thing in months. Finally realism about this industry and the situation we face..I think they will have massive support.

[Martin Tamme]

That is the most positive thing in months. Finally realism about this industry and the situation we face..I think they will have massive support.

I doubt it. This list is primarily composed of the people and their extension who were recalled by the Membership last year for failling to follow the ACPA Constitution. The Membership heard their doom and gloom story last year, and isn't buying into it anymore.

Think about it, pilot costs represent less than 4% of Air Canada's total annual budget. Even if the pilots were to offer their services for free, it would hardly make a dent in the big picture. This group is making it seem as if the pilots are responsible for creating Air Canada's woes, and are the only ones able to provide a solution.

[hnl]

That is the most positive thing in months. Finally realism about this industry and the situation we face..I think they will have massive support.

I doubt it. This list is primarily composed of the people and their extension who were recalled by the Membership last year for failling to follow the ACPA Constitution. The Membership heard their doom and gloom story last year, and isn't buying into it anymore.

Think about it, pilot costs represent less than 4% of Air Canada's total annual budget. Even if the pilots were to offer their services for free, it would hardly make a dent in the big picture. This group is making it seem as if the pilots are responsible for creating Air Canada's woes, and are the only ones able to provide a solution.

I stand by realism. Finding a solution to counter 30-40% cost advantage of our competition. They make money we don't. That's real or as you say "doom and gloom"...

[Johnny Mapleleaf]

I don't think that that is the thrust of what is happening here. I look at the list of signatories and see they go right back to the founding fathers of ACPA, and include most of the key players since. Some 100 to 200 man-years of ACPA experience.

The main thrust, as I see it, and this may be what MB was referring to, is the adverse affect on the solidarity of the union, by having so many high profile, experienced former executives actively undermining the current leadership.

[hnl]

I don't think that that is the thrust of what is happening here. I look at the list of signatories and see they go right back to the founding fathers of ACPA, and include most of the key players since. Some 100 to 200 man-years of ACPA experience.

The main thrust, as I see it, and this may be what MB was referring to, is the adverse affect on the solidarity of the union, by having so many high profile, experienced former executives actively undermining the current leadership.

A good many of those signatories were in the room when the last CCAA was announced. They see the possibility of it happening again and if it does we are not coming out. We must avoid that. Reality.

[Martin Tamme]

A good many of those signatories were in the room when the last CCAA was announced. They see the possibility of it happening again and if it does we are not coming out. We must avoid that. Reality.

So again, how is the pilot group supposed to provide a solution, considering we represent less than 4% of the total cost? When we went into CCAA the last time around, I can guarantee you that it wasn't because the pilots were too expensive.

[Rollercoaster Rider]

I stand by realism. Finding a solution to counter 30-40% cost advantage of our competition. They make money we don't. That's real or as you say "doom and gloom"...

Someone sees the reality but that will not change the minds of any union..lets see,maybe the planes that are 30-40% smaller that team teal??

[Rollercoaster Rider]

Woops my bad those were arbatrated..Sorry

[hnl]

A good many of those signatories were in the room when the last CCAA was announced. They see the possibility of it happening again and if it does we are not coming out. We must avoid that. Reality.

So again, how is the pilot group supposed to provide a solution, considering we represent less than 4% of the total cost? When we went into CCAA the last time around, I can guarantee you that it wasn't because the pilots were too expensive.

We (the entire employee group) provide a solution through leadership bereft of blame. Facts and figures not emotion. I know hard to do and sometimes painful but necessary now.....The alternatives are much worse...

[crazy_aviator]

Unions breed inefficientcy and selfishness and largess ,, reality sometimes does not enter into the picture and comparisons with equivalent airlines are NOT acceptable with the present union mentality ! But, i digress, the poison has infiltrated ALL of Air Canada,,,,, perhaps she needs to go the way of the donosaur and have a NEW beginning !

[yyz monkey]

Unions breed inefficientcy and selfishness and largess..

I guess you haven't been watching managements pay skyrocket for the past decade, despite their lack of performance. All the while, front line staff have seen their pay stagnate.

You want to talk about inefficientcy(sic)? How about the 18 VPs at the executive level. Delta, a much larger entity than Air Canada, has half that number.

Selfishness and largess are covered by the aforementioned executive pay. The CEOs base pay alone has risen 272% between 2003 and 2010 (2011 numbers aren't available yet). Total compensation has risen 855%. And for what? All we hear constantly is about how the front line needs to make more cuts to make the airline competitive, but that never seems to happen for the execs, despite their continued failure in running the airline.

This airline is plagued by a deficit of leadership and it starts right in the CEOs office and trickles down throughout the organization.

[Genetk44]

Speaking as a complete outsider, aka Travelling Joe public who used to do a ton of traveling, and without the benefit of knowing the details of internal structure of the company , I can only say that from my viewpoint and in my opinion the rot set in when the company was privatized......from that point on I saw a steady creeping decline in the quality of the product.....and I blame it on the suits and especially the corporate bean-counters.

[LeadingEdge]

This is a last ditched attempt by a few senior guy's to save their pension at the expense of the rest of the Pilots... The same old sell the junior (in this case bottom 3/4's) guy down the road to save my pension BS. They should be ASHAMED.

The current MEC got a 99% strike vote, that pretty much says it all.

[teacher]

Unions breed inefficientcy and selfishness and largess..

I guess you haven't been watching managements pay skyrocket for the past decade, despite their lack of performance. All the while, front line staff have seen their pay stagnate.

You want to talk about inefficientcy(sic)? How about the 18 VPs at the executive level. Delta, a much larger entity than Air Canada, has half that number.

Selfishness and largess are covered by the aforementioned executive pay. The CEOs base pay alone has risen 272% between 2003 and 2010 (2011 numbers aren't available yet). Total compensation has risen 855%. And for what? All we hear constantly is about how the front line needs to make more cuts to make the airline competitive, but that never seems to happen for the execs, despite their continued failure in running the airline.

This airline is plagued by a deficit of leadership and it starts right in the CEOs office and trickles down throughout the organization.

You're right, it is sick how executive pay has sky rocketed as the company sank deeper. When AC was privatized it was handed over to a successive group of vultures who over time picked the carcass clean. The fact of the matter though is that in terms of cost cutting executive compensation like front line pay alone will not make or break the bottom-line HOWEVER they are employees and should ALSO do their part. If they want to be taken seriously and expect the frontline to pitch in, so should they.

A union demanding raises and CEO pay cuts will no more help the company get out of this mess and vice versa.