Logging SIC

[Blue_Yonder]

When could one legally log SIC time? Is there set requirements or a minimum airplane class to do so? And no, I'm not talking about flying a 172 VFR, more along the lines of flying a multi engine IMC at night.

If there's a reg I'd be glad to read it.

[Instructor_Mike]

It would need to be an aircraft with a 2 crew requirement either from factory (TC/FAA approval of the aircraft) or as part of the company OPS.

[Blue_Yonder]

Ok simple enough. Thanks for the answer.

[Rhys Perraton]

Heard that TC is no longer accepting co-pilot time on any single pilot certified aircraft regardless of company ops requirements.
Might be worth checking.

[ahramin]

Heard that TC is no longer accepting co-pilot time on any single pilot certified aircraft regardless of company ops requirements.
Might be worth checking.

I assume you are talking about credits for the ATPL but in any case, not true.

[Chaxterium]

Heard that TC is no longer accepting co-pilot time on any single pilot certified aircraft regardless of company ops requirements.
Might be worth checking.

I assume you are talking about credits for the ATPL but in any case, not true.

Correct. As long as the AOC requires two pilots then the time can be applied towards the ATPL. I've recently found out though that TC doesn't accept foreign co-pilot time on a single pilot machine. Even though General Aviation Advisory Circular 2005-03 SPECIFICALLY states that they do. This news has been devastating to me since up to this point my career has basically been based on this circular. Not to mention the number of colleagues I have who were allowed to credit this time.

I guess my application landed on the wrong person's desk at the wrong time.

[Oxi]

So in this case AOC requiring two pilot then the F/O would log SIC whether it be night SIC, IFR etc. What does the F/O log if it is a PC-12 or Caravan that is single pilot but they have two crew... anything?

oxi

[Chaxterium]

The number of engines doesn't matter. If the company has an AOC stating that the aircraft is operated two crew, and you can prove that you've been duly trained as a SIC, then that is 'supposed' to be all you need. I say 'supposed' because some people at Transport don't realize this and think that because its a single pilot machine SIC can't be logged. Or more accurately, can't be applied towards the ATPL requirements. Those people are wrong. Their own regulations state this. You may have to do some work on this. Make some calls. Eventually you'll speak to someone who knows what they're talking about.

It took me quite a few calls.

This is from TCs site:

YES a pilot who is qualified on type, and who is acting as first officer, can legally log co-pilot flight time and credit it towards an ATPL.

IF

The aircraft is required to be operated with a co-pilot, according to CARs Part VI or VII and as stated in the Private Operators Certificate or Air Operator's Certificate.

OR

2. The minimum flight crew is 2 pilots, according to the aircraft Type Certificate. Refer to CAR 421.40 Appendix A Type Designators for guidance material.

Required to be Operated with a Co-Pilot

The operational requirement for a co-pilot may be stated in the Air Operations Certificate (AOC) or Private Operator Certificate (POC) that has been approved by Transport Canada's Commercial and Business Aviation (CBA).

If an AOC or POC states that aircraft are required to be operated with a co-pilot, then the operational requirement has been established and approved for the use of a co-pilot. Details on an approved AOC or POC, Operation Specifications (Ops Spec), and Operations Manuals can be provided by the company Operations Manager or the CBA Inspector responsible for the company.

You'll notice there's nothing in there saying it must be multiengine. You just have to prove an operational requirement.

Cheers,
Chax

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/s ... op-475.htm